Recognizing a True Pope - Fr. William Jenkins 08-08-25

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John:

How will we know for certain when a true Pope is elected?

Fr. William Jenkins:

Well, John, well, I guess we'll have to ask you to tell us.

John:

That's a great question.

Fr. William Jenkins:

Well, if there is a true pope, it's like saying, how will we know that a person is in fact a true pope? Right?

Fr. William Jenkins:

You say elected, you're generally looking at the cardinals, and you're looking at the cardinals evidently that are in the modern modernist church right now in the Vatican. Right? So I mean, it's not an idle question, but it still presumes a lot of things. You know, when you ask this person, okay, well, what do you mean by being elected? Are you thinking that someone's going to be elected by the modernist cardinals and this is going to produce a true pope and how will we know him when he's elected by them?

Fr. William Jenkins:

Is it even possible? That's the question, right? And there are those who are arguing from the state of a communist point of view. You know, he would not be elected, not by these modernists in so called so called college of cardinals that is two thirds the result of Francis. And now being augmented by Leo who was the son of Francis spiritually.

Fr. William Jenkins:

So there are those who say, you know, it sounds as though there's going to have to be some irregular means of electing a true pope, something outside the the standard operating procedure of the Catholic church. Now you and I know that the standard operating procedure of the Catholic church at the beginning was that the clergy of Rome, which is the pope, the successor of Peter, the vicar of Christ. This was standard operating procedure for centuries in the earliest days of the church. That is even more traditional Catholic than the College of Cardinals, which came along about a thousand years later as kind of an expediency. But in any case, let let me just say this.

Fr. William Jenkins:

As far as the the whole process of election and choice and so on, I think there's a significant question that we have to answer first is how will we know that a man can possibly be a true pope? And for that you'd have to say, well the first criterion I have is that he has the Catholic faith. And he would have to profess the Catholic faith. He'd have to profess and live the Catholic religion. And one of the first things that I personally would look for is that he would stand up and say, the modernists have ravaged the church in fulfillment of what Saint Pius X warned.

Fr. William Jenkins:

That this is in fact exactly what has happened. And we must reject all of these modernist innovations. And we must return to practicing the traditional Catholic faith. I think any man who would qualify as being a true Catholic Pope. And when I say a true Catholic Pope, I mean he would speak the part, as well as act the part. He would reject all the modernist corruption. He would reject the modern communism.

Fr. William Jenkins:

He'd certainly reject the corruption that has come in through all of the perversions that they have not only tolerated, but they've actually promoted. And it's still being promoted by Leo XIV right now. The perversions that they brought in. You'd have to stand up and condemn the things that need to be condemned. He'd have to condemn the heresies in no uncertain terms, the heresies of the modernists.

Fr. William Jenkins:

He'd have to condemn the idolatry that has come in with, I mean, the Pachamamas and all the rest. He'd have to condemn that absolutely. And he would actually have to stand up and condemn those who brought these things in. He would have to denounce Francis. He would have to denounce all of the modernists and all the damage.

Fr. William Jenkins:

Not just denounce what they've done. He would have to denounce them. He would even have to go so far as to say, definitely, there are no saints. They're not saints recognized by the Catholic church for what they've done. What they've done is criminal against Christ and against the church.

Fr. William Jenkins:

And he'd have to come out and just say it openly, plainly without mincing his words at all. And until someone does something like that, until a man meeting whatever other requirements that he would have to to qualify as a pope but having met all of those other requirements until he stands up and says that. Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies and it has brought all of these evils and I'm going to condemn every single one of them like a new syllabus and I'm going to denounce those who have brought this evil upon the church, then it's very hard to accept that he's actually functioning as a Catholic pope.

Fr. William Jenkins:

There is a great deal of deception going on. The Vatican is still in the hands of the modernists. Although the modernists are more crafty in the way they're going about their modernism, they still have the same message. They've changed their style. But all this does is make the message of modernism more dangerous because it makes it more palatable. And it actually shows the division between those who are, let's say, conservative Catholics or as opposed to traditional Catholics.

Fr. William Jenkins:

Because those who are merely conservative Catholics just want the outward show of Catholic appearance and Catholic sound. The Latin, the vestments, you know, they that would be enough for them. But it's superficial. Right? It's superficial.

Fr. William Jenkins:

And but as long as one shows that superficiality, as long as one dresses up in traditional vestments and uses some Latin prayers, that's enough for them. They say that's all I want. That's all the Catholicism. That's all the traditional Catholicism I need. And that's the danger now.

Fr. William Jenkins:

It's like the spoonful of sugar helps the poison go down. But this will separate them from those who say no, we're traditional Catholics in principle. And I don't care whether they're preaching modernism in English, in Swahili, or in Latin, or Greek. It's still modernism. I don't want the new mass.

Fr. William Jenkins:

The new mass was originally written in Latin. I don't want the new mass in any language. It's the new mass. It's not the traditional Catholic mass. It's not the sacrifice of Calvary.

Fr. William Jenkins:

It was never intended to be. It was meant to be a substitute for the sacrifice of Calvary. So there are those who are simply going to say, no, we're going to hold fast to the traditional Catholic faith in its integrity, in its entirety. We're not going to compromise it in any way. Those are the true traditional Catholics.

Fr. William Jenkins:

Those are the true Catholics, simply put, today. And that's what we must do. And we have to pray for that too. Unfortunately, young people are drawn by compromise because it's easier. Really don't understand the necessity.

Fr. William Jenkins:

Well, they don't want to understand, in some cases, the necessity of taking a very firm stand and not compromising. After all, they have friends and relations and so on involved here, and there's a certain hardship in this. And maybe their faith just isn't strong enough yet to take that uncompromising stand for the traditional Catholic faith and the traditional Catholic religion and not to take the bait of compromise. We hope and pray for them that they will soon understand it's a mistake, a tragic mistake. Because once you begin to compromise the Catholic faith with modernism, you destroy faith. You destroy the very virtue of faith in your soul.

Fr. William Jenkins:

Once you decide to compromise your Catholic religion by allowing modernist practices in there, you actually are not any longer practicing the Catholic religion. You're basically admitting modernism and it's just more and more going to take over your life and poison your faith and your religion. So we just have to hold that line, and not not fall victim to wishful thinking and compromise.

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Fr. William Jenkins is a traditional Catholic priest and pastor of Immaculate Conception Church in Norwood (Cincinnati), Ohio. Ordained by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1978, he has offered the traditional Latin Mass since 1984. He serves as the superior of the Society of St. Pius V (SSPV) and leads the long-running “What Catholics Believe” apostolate, providing sermons, catechesis, and weekly Q&A programs.
Recognizing a True Pope - Fr. William Jenkins 08-08-25
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